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January 26, 2020

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Under God Under Fire: Challenging the Pledge in Schools
Last Featured: 7/26/2004

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Millions of school children pledge their allegiance every day. But a recent lawsuit stirred passionate debate between those who see the pledge as a healthy exercise in patriotism and those who say it is forced prayer. The legal challenge was over the words, “under God” and whether public schools can require children to recite them. Does forcing students to pledge their allegiance violate principles of religious freedom or, as one Senator argued, is it simply “political correctness run amok?” The Supreme Court recently sidestepped the issue by denying legal standing to the father who challenged California's policy.

Barry Lynn , a lawyer and ordained minister in the United Church of Christ, is currently the Executive Director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State. He was legislative counsel for the Washington office of the American Civil Liberties Union and the legislative counsel for the United Church of Christ's Office of Church in Society in Washington. An accomplished speaker and frequent lecturer, Lynn was a regular co-host of “Pat Buchanan and Company” and is the co-author of The Right to Religious Liberty: The Basic ACLU Guide to Religious Rights.

General Patrick Brady is the chairman of the Citizens Flag Alliance of the American Legion. His 34-year military career included two combat tours in Vietnam, where he developed tactical and foul weather helicopter flying techniques never before executed in combat. He flew over 2,000 combat missions, and earned the Medal of Honor for extracting 51 severely injured patients from areas where other aircraft had failed or were shot down. He held a variety of command and staff positions, including chief of public affairs for the Army and secretary to the United Nations Military Armistice Commission in Korea.

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"It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

— Thomas Jefferson

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